Apr 26
This is mainly a re-hash of part of a discussion over at the Mindful Mission about whether or not a man can be a feminist:”The Mindful Mission(Male Feminists)”:http://www.mindfulmission.com/index.php/2005/08/12/male_feminists. A lady by the name of Pippin had objected :”Pippin - Men can’t be Feminists(Mindful Mission - Male Feminists)”:http://www.brendoman.com/hippydave/2005/08/12/male_feminists#c17480 :”Pippin - Forced Sacrifice(Mindful Mission - Male Feminists)”:http://www.brendoman.com/hippydave/2005/08/12/male_feminists#c17484 :”Pippin - The Imposition of Morality on Others(Mindful Mission - Male Feminists)”:http://www.brendoman.com/hippydave/2005/08/12/male_feminists#c17488 :”Pippin - Equality of the Sexes in the Responsibility of Child Creation(Mindful Mission - Male Feminists)”:http://www.brendoman.com/hippydave/2005/08/12/male_feminists#c17490 to my belief that I agree with feminists on many issues, but reject the permissibility of all abortions.
When I talk about being feminist, I am speaking about holding males and females as equals and living that out. If anyone has questions about how I live that out, please refer them to my wife of three years. She will tell you if my practice in the issue meets my ideals. My wife and I use birth control. We have lost a child in the early stages of pregnancy. WE know what it is like.
Before I address her objections, I must note that when I said “the full and unrestricted right to have an abortion” I meant allowing for abortion in each and every single case. I left the my position open for some or no abortions being legal.
I want to denote the two positions on abortion as pro-abortion and anti-abortion. This minimizes the biases that the terms pro-life and pro-choice inherently contain. Who can say that they are the opposite of pro-life, that is, pro-death / anti-life? The very terms beg the question about the issue.
The objections that Pippin raised can be summarized as follows:
Objections:
- Men cannot have an opinion on whether or not abortion is right or wrong because they do not experience pregnancy or birth.
- I am not sure if Pippin is maintaining that a fetus has a prima facie right to life or not. That is a huge step in this process. I’ll try to establish that they do even if for argument’s sake.
- Women should have the same sexual freedom men do. Allowing for unfettered abortions would restore this inequality.
- Abortions are morally permissible because to have a woman be responsible pregnancies resulting from all willful sexual acts would be exercising control over the woman.
As I am still waiting for Pippin’s response, there is a chance that I am getting into a straw man here.
Response:
- Because I cannot physically have a baby does not mean that I cannot determine if an action is wrong for “the other” to do. This is the classic mistake of postmodernism. It might make one unaware of certain points that make the determination hazier, but does not invalidate the determination… That is, unless one is a relativist. If the reasoning is the sound and valid, the conclusion stands no matter who makes the argument. If otherwise, then we would be guilty of a hasty generalization.
Also, what about the anti-abortion women? There are plenty of anti-abortion women running around. The argument falls flat against objections from women who have the same experiences as you, the ones that the lack of supposedly invalidate my objections.
- If the fetus has no right to life, as Marry Ann Warren believes, then of course Pippin is correct. The rights of the mother would then outweigh the rights of the fetus. If, however, the fetus has a right to life and the mother has a right to life, then that changes the whole shape of the argument. Judith Jarvis Thompson has argued:”Judith Jarvis Thompson(A Defense of Abortion)”:http://unsoundargument.com/ethics/a-defense-of-abortion-judith-jarvis-thomson that even if we assume for the moment that the fetus has a right to life, a pro-abortion position can still be maintained (My notes on her article are not completely entered into that post, please bear with me).
She argues that when the mother has taken reasonable precaution against the pregnancy, i.e. cases of rape, incest or failed birth control, she is not morally responsible for the life of the fetus, i.e. an abortion would be morally permissible. Whiles Judith Jarvis Thompson just assumes that the fetus is a person for the sake of the argument, I would argue:”The Unsound Argument(An Objective View of Personhood)”:http://unsoundargument.com/papers/objective-view-of-personhood/ that a fetus is a person in the objective sense, even though it is not a person in the subjective sense.
I do want to note that even a strong pro-abortion proponent like JJT maintains that abortions solely out of convenience are still morally wrong. (given that a fetus has some sort of a right of existence)
- I agree that there is an inequality in the view that women are unduly responsible for the consequences of their willful sexual acts compared to men. However, I do not think the solution is to kill the fetus. Instead, we should raise the sexual responsibility of the men to the woman. Make men as responsible for the child as the woman is. Don’t punish the baby for the man’s actions. I think that there is a false dilemma in the reasoning of objection 3) because there is another option, besides a) allowing for abortion or b) having the unjust inequality persist, that is not considered in your argument. I might be wrong on the false dilemma though; perhaps Pippin has considered it and is only listing her conclusions.
- I think I covered this in objection 3), that it is not a case of exercising control or one party and not another if all parties involved are treated the same. Case in point: If I say to you, don’t steal, and I hold myself to that maxim, I avoid the problem all together. The issue is not controlling behavior, it is about finding a universal ethical maxim.
With all of this being said I have not begun to argue about if and when abortions are morally permissible, I have only tried to deal with the objections that Pippin brought up.